The Searcher said: "Why does God allow suffering? The answer is found by examining why he allowed his own son to suffer and die!".. That doesn't answer everything.http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222352/1/Theists-why-does-God-allow-suffering
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OK..Seriously..Has GOD ever answered your prayers????
by DATA-DOG inlook...i am not an atheist.
even so, i have never had one prayer answered my entire life.
the only thing that would even come close was learning ttatt.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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"All because YHWH couldn't just selectively kill the bad people...."
Exactly.. Just think of Isaiah 37:36, from this weeks book study. And that was just one angel.. -
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Interesting page..
“And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered…. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth.”
This was not a quick or clean death. The human beings and animals left behind probably would have felt the first stirrings of anxiety as they saw the rain begin to fall and the water level begin to rise. As rivers overflowed their banks, they would have had to abandon their homes and move to higher ground, to watch mudslides and flash floods sweep away the villages and any who were left behind in them. As the many separate floods began to merge and the raging waters rose higher, they would have been forced to keep climbing, pursued by lightning, howling winds and lapping waves. Upon reaching the highest ground possible and discovering that the flood waters were still rising, there would have been nothing left to do but cower in the last extremity of terror and wait to be overtaken. Their end would not have been pleasant: battered and crushed by rocks and currents, suffocated in mud and silt, and finally pulled under and drowned. The flood waters must have been choked with bodies. "
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/a-book-of-blood/ -
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Unbelievable Watchtower quote from 1962!!.. ''Don't waste time speculating on what year Armageddon will come'' (check it on cd-rom if you like)
by defender of truth inwt 6/15 1962 p.380-383.
"likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future.
one might ask, in what year will armageddon begin?...jehovah has not provided answers at this time.
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Unbelievable Watchtower quote from 1962!!.. ''Don't waste time speculating on what year Armageddon will come'' (check it on cd-rom if you like)
by defender of truth inwt 6/15 1962 p.380-383.
"likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future.
one might ask, in what year will armageddon begin?...jehovah has not provided answers at this time.
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Unbelievable Watchtower quote from 1962!!.. ''Don't waste time speculating on what year Armageddon will come'' (check it on cd-rom if you like)
by defender of truth inwt 6/15 1962 p.380-383.
"likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future.
one might ask, in what year will armageddon begin?...jehovah has not provided answers at this time.
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Unbelievable Watchtower quote from 1962!!.. ''Don't waste time speculating on what year Armageddon will come'' (check it on cd-rom if you like)
by defender of truth inwt 6/15 1962 p.380-383.
"likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future.
one might ask, in what year will armageddon begin?...jehovah has not provided answers at this time.
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Finkelstein:"I think DOT doesn't realize is that the WTS. constantly contradicts itself quite often.".. I did realise, thank you, that's why I started the damn thread.
"when JW apologetics come here and are confronted by the truth of the WTS.
they cowardly run away with their tails between their legs.
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To DOT and Emeth I hope you learned a lessen."
I have not ran away, in any sense, there's no point in me posting on a site where I am ignored, misunderstood or slandered for no reason whatsoever. You are the one that needs to learn a lesson Finkelstein.. The following links may show that you misjudged me as an apologist.
It's better to stop posting, I have nothing much to say anyway and I may cause technical errors when I post. I'm glad that someone found the quote interesting. -
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Unbelievable Watchtower quote from 1962!!.. ''Don't waste time speculating on what year Armageddon will come'' (check it on cd-rom if you like)
by defender of truth inwt 6/15 1962 p.380-383.
"likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future.
one might ask, in what year will armageddon begin?...jehovah has not provided answers at this time.
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(Cheers to Finkelstein for completely ignoring the OP and demonstrating what side of the Jwornotjw line I am seen to fall on.)Thanks Dismissing Servant, but I'm starting to think Emeth may have been right about this place being a waste of time. I'm not achieving anything anyway. Good health to you.
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Unbelievable Watchtower quote from 1962!!.. ''Don't waste time speculating on what year Armageddon will come'' (check it on cd-rom if you like)
by defender of truth inwt 6/15 1962 p.380-383.
"likewise it is possible to spend valuable time speculating on matters concerning the future.
one might ask, in what year will armageddon begin?...jehovah has not provided answers at this time.
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..And this was just 5 days ago.
[These are some quotes from the 'Pray' thread]
DATA-DOGposted5 days ago(4/15/2014)
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"GOD", could have just gave Pharoah a vision of the future if he disobeyed. Why not just trick his mind like the Sodomites minds were tricked? It would seem real, and Pharoah could have wondered through the dream-world for what seemed like ages and could have learned his lesson. Then innocent humans and animals don't need to be killed...
Why not just mentally blind the entire nation of Egypt? The Israelites could have just walked out! YHWH sure likes to kill people to get his points across...
Instead, lots of people had to die. Why? Was it because YHWH couldn't think of a better way? If we can think of an alternate plan, why couldn't YHWH? Wouldn't YOU at least try another plan first?? How long does a vision in the night take, really?? The Israelites can't hang out in Egypt just a little longer?? Wait, let me guess. YHWH had to make his "name" known. Yeah, that's it, the ol' "go to" argument...
GOD:Dum-dee dum-dumm, Hmmmm???? I was going to do something today,hmmmmm?? What was it?? Oh yes, little Shakazulu needs some food.. There he is! (picture of starving child) Alrighty!! It's been awhile..ahem.. [ cracking knuckles]Allakazam!!! Laa-deeee-ddaaah!!! Uhh?!?!? Oh! Holy F***!!! A watcher needs a list of names!!! Holy shit, that was a close one!!! ...
The problem with your " unforseen occurence" defense is that GOD could stop all suffering instantly, each person he saved would be another slap in Satan's face. There is no need to allow countless humans to die, just so GOD can have a big finale."